6 Responses to “Complaining – the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly”

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  1. Christy Christy

    Your blog is a God send. My marriage is failing on an epic proportion. I have wanted my spouse to change but am failing to see the changes I need to make in myself. Is it possible to have all four horsemen in your relationship? I think I have done them all either seperately or together to warrant a given response. Thank you for your insight. I want to save my 15 year marriage for my kids, myself and my husband.

  2. Christy,
    I think that it is not only possible, but most likely, that where there is one horseman, the others will be. They go together. When criticized, we want to defend ourselves against the criticism. When we defend oursevles, the critic ramps up the attacks to try to get his/her way – that’s when criticism careens into contempt. There’s not much way to defend against contempt – because it it’s intent is to wound. So the wounded party shuts down, tries to stop caring – and cuts off the criticism and contempt by stonewalling.

    It’s never too late to change yourself Christy. If you can, get some help. Start where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can. Get Dr. John Gottman’s books – Start with The Relationship Cure. In my experience, it takes somes outside help to seriously “take on youself.”

    Check in here regularly – we’ll be posting lots more helps to get you on track. Just remember that in relationships, it really is all about you [tongue in cheek comment] – because if YOU are all about how YOU can become the person, the wife, the mother you long to be, regardless of what anyone else does – that’s all any of us can do!

  3. Laurie Laurie

    Incredible post!

    You said, “Any change made for any reason other than to change self will fail.” I had to pause and reread that again. It makes so much sense.

    I tried for many years to change my hub (after all weren’t all of our problems due to his issues?). Then I let him be and worked on changing me. At first the hub was off balanced and it showed but he gradually saw my changes as a permanent thing and he “changed” as a response to me being different. We are in a much better place.

    In looking at your descriptions of emotional maturity vs immaturity, it seems the biggest difference to me is being a constructor of your life vs feeling like life is happening to you. I’m not sure how being hurt fits into it. Don’t we all get hurt at sometime? Is it that immature people want others to fix it or make it better where as mature people self sooth, get over it and get on with life?

  4. @ Laurie,
    I think that emotional immaturity is simply a state of being – the norm for humans – and becoming emotional mature [or not] is the path that we are all on. The difference lies in embracing or avoiding the challenges. Life and pain [hurt] are handmaidens.

    It is not possible to be alive without experiencing pain. Pain is a vital messenger that keeps us fully alive – it warns us to change our actions to keep us safe. There is good pain that lets us know we are on the right track [sore muscles after a workout] and bad pain that lets us know we are on the wrong track [hangovers after drinking too much]. Spiritually, good pain moves us toward God and bad pain moves us away from God.

    Without pain, we will move into activities that kill us. Carl Jung said, “The foundation of all mental illness is an unwillingness to experience legitimate suffering.”

    I think that much of the pain we experience in relationships comes from our efforts to avoid the legitmate pain required to change ourselves.

  5. Lynda Lynda

    Seems like the same old question. Do we, as human beings, need to experience hurt and pain in order to better ourselves?
    Is pain and suffering an essential part of life? Does pain and suffering always in the end produce something positive even if we can’t see or feel it for ourselves? Personally I believe the answer to all of those questions is an emphatic no.
    I wouldnt paddle my children, abuse my spouse, or wear a hair shirt. There is no epiphany to be found in any amount of pain and suffering and if we really really thought otherwise we would help our fellow men and women to as much misery as possible knowing that they, and the world would be better for it.

  6. @ Lynda,
    I don’t think that we need to experience hurt and pain in order to better ourselves, nor do I think that pain and suffering always produce something positive. I think that pain and suffering are inevitable – there is no such thing as life without it. It is built into life. It’s what we do with the pain and suffering that makes the world a better place – or not. It’s the seach for the meaning that has led to some great epiphanies for many people across thousands of years.

    You wouldn’t paddle your children, abuse your spouse, or wear a hair shirt. There are plenty of people in the world who will and do – that and more. There is no need to help our fellowmen and women to as much misery as possible – it’s present in them and in their lives without any outside help. The world is better because so many men and women have chosen to look for and find something bigger and better inside of them through every experience that life brings their way – including pain and suffering.

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