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  1. Hi Mary Ann,

    This is an excellent post – both comprehensive and concise. I especially like your specific example of what an effective complaint it. I’m looking forward to the next 3 posts in the series. Stumbled!

  2. Laurie Laurie

    Wow Corey. This was incredibly impressive. You have given a ton on info to chew on. These horsemen seem all too familiar. I think I tossed them hay for many years. It took me A LOT longer than 6 years to get the guidance I needed. But it was totally worth it. I am in a much, much better place. Wow, it really did make all the difference in the world to finally find someone to help me out. I am so thankful for that. My quality of life and my joy is off the chart compared to 3 years (and before) ago.

  3. @Laurie- I must give Mary Ann credit for this post. It’s all hers.

  4. Laurie Laurie

    Maybe so. I’ll bet she wrote what you were thinking. LOL! You’re real smart too!

  5. Wow. Six years. Plenty to work on here but looking forward to the follow up posts.

  6. @ Daphne – Thanks for comments and the stumble. I think we take a step up in maturity when we learn that there is such a thing as effective complaining and that it totally different from nagging, whining, and kvetching. Lots of relational problems grow out of myths – like happy couples don’t fight.

    When complaining is embraced as an appropriate tool for dealing directly with differences, it stretches both people in a relationship toward emotional maturity. It takes work to figure out how to complain effectively – it takes effort to respond to a complaint by changing a behavior.

    The end result is that complaints become a release valve that keeps us out of criticizing and contemptuousness.

    The work done on both sides is a way of extending ourselves for the well being of our partner.

  7. Mary Ann,

    You are so right that without effective complaining, we end up bottling our unmet needs and unhappiness inside and this leads to criticism, contemptuousness and deep-seated resentment in the long run that is extremely hard to get rid of.

    I made those mistakes in my earlier relationships. Now I’m learning to speak my mind but need to learn to do it in a less whiny and more respectful and conversational way. I’m looking forward to your next few posts!

  8. Mary Ann: WOW is the only thing I could put on my note when I added this to del.icio.us. This is all stuff I know but have lost touch with, during the decay of my marriage. Your words definitely put a touch of perspective in my thoughts, and hopefully others, about there being 2 people in every marriage. If we are both working on ourselves and the marriage as best we are able, spectacular things can occur.

  9. I echo the wow as I squirm in my chair knowing which one is my struggle.

  10. V. Higgins V. Higgins

    Awesome post!
    I definitely want to echo that it is not a bad thing to seek out coaching/counseling for your relationships. It’s showing that you really care and want it to work, we’re all imperfect and have issues.
    It can be very easy to forget that common respect and kindness can take you so far in your marriage relationship. Starting this post with a reminder that you cannot change your spouse was great! The only person we can change is ourselves, if we focus on changing the other person all we’ll do is tear down the relationship because you’re putting yourself at the center of it. I’m definitely putting the Power of One prayer up on my desk so I see it daily! Thanks for the reminder and encouragement!

  11. Becky Mechler Becky Mechler

    I can use every bit of this! Those four horsemen were the theme of a failed 10 year marrige for me, I can gladly say that with the help of knowledge like this I am happily married for 12 yrs. The important thing for me is to know that the work is never done, on myself that is! My golden nugget from this article is the simple Serenity Prayer, how powerful! Thank you.

  12. Such a great post. Defensiveness is the one I’m most guilty of – and I’m so “nice” and “reasonable” – it often takes me hours to realize that’s what I’ve done – and sometimes my man will directly say so – and then I go to “double defensiveness” until I can hear what he said. It’s just fear. Fear of my own feelings and what will happen if I’m found to be not as “together” as I like to appear. Thanks, Sarah

  13. macmft Mary Ann

    @Sarah
    People pleasing, conflict avoiders, – we (and that does include me) learned how to get the “good stuff” in life by being chameleons, instead of bullies. It works pretty well for a long time in life . . . until at some point we realize we’ve lost something along the way. And it turns out to be that inner voice of self, our true North, that we failed to cultivate because we spent so much energy being nice.

    I’ll be tackling this toughie in weeks to come – hope you come back for the discussion.

  14. Dr. Gottman’s study was done over a 20 year period of time. He observed the same couples over a long period of time and could predict which marriages would fail and which marriages would last. He had a 98% accuracy rate. The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse will destroy any relationship… and that includes relationships with children. I used this study in my parenting e-book.

  15. My wife and I recently went to a “Couples Cafe” which discussed disagreements and identified 4 patterns that are quite similar. Reading this reminded me that I was going to write about it, so I did: http://ccjjharmon.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/marriage-disagreements/

  16. Coffee Brown Coffee Brown

    I really appreciate this post. We’re not even a year and i see the mistakes I’m making. It’s even harder for us because we both live and work in different countries, and get to see each other for a month every 5 months. Thank you so much. Please keep these posts coming! There’s so much people like me need to learn.

  17. Bev Bev

    So Drs. John and Julie Gottman have a weekend couples workshop 5 times a year in Seattle for couples in crisis and those seeking enrichment too. The next one is this weekend (June 27 & 28) and two others this year in Oct & Dec. My honey & I attended about three years ago and it is WONDERFUL! http://www.gottman.com (The Gottman Institute)

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